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Review of the 7th and 8th meetings of

Middlesbrough Grovian Practise Group

Saturday 9th May 1998

A change of venue for this meeting, Rosie O'Hara hosted the meeting at her house, providing quite a change from the TAD Centre. Sitting on bean bags drinking mugs (not cups) of coffee in someone's lounge was a refreshing change from the regular 'training room' environment.

So what did we do? The day revolved around two main exercises. Colin introduced us to the first one, where we each wrote a description of ourselves, a self characterisation sketch, and then used clean language to investigate the other person's sketch.

It was astounding how deep and penetrating the investigation could be, starting with a simple written description it got straight to the core issues (as clean language always does !)

Then came lunch. It was a beautiful sunny day and we walked to a nearby restaurant, for a gorgeous lunch.

Coffee and a discussion of the morning exercise followed, and then Andy introduced us to the second exercise.

Could it be that there is a difference in the experience of "I am hungry" and "I feel hunger" and "I have hunger". There was some discussion around this, and then we used Clean Language to explore the three ways of expressing what seems to be the same experience.

Several of us found significant differences between the experiences, personally I found that "I am relaxed" was a far more powerful experience than "I have relaxation".

Saturday 20th June 1998

A new venue, Allington House in Durham. A small but select group gathered, two of us (Jan and myself) having recently been on Penny and James Symbolic Modelling Part Three. I think I've recalled the sequence of events and exercises, the day went something like this:

We started with a coffee and a chat (a large part of it around the idea of coincidence and synchronicity). Then we got into the first exercise.

The first exercise was a bit of fun, a sort of round-robin story telling. To explain, the first person would ask the opening question, such as "what would you like to have happen?" They would then answer their own question. The next person in the circle then asks a Clean Language question, and answers their own question, and so it continues with everyone adding to the story. A real stretch of the imagination in both asking an answering. As we began to wrap up Jan answered a question and brought in all the elements and took the story to a wonderful conclusion.

Then we went for lunch, in the Alms house on the Cathedral green, a beautiful setting. One more round of coffee and then we got into the second exercise.

Working with a client's metaphors can generate a large amount of information, sometimes too much information. So one of the key skills is to be able to pick up on something significant and then find out as much as possible. As David Grove said, it's about "…interrogating the symbol until it reveals its strengths…"

The exercise was to have the client verbalise a metaphor and then pick up on a symbol and find out as much as possible about that one symbol, things like its size, shape, location, other physical attributes and also where it came from and where it was going to (provided that the client had first identified such evolution).

The exercise was a real test of the ability to track each part before moving onto the next symbol.

The final exercise was one that someone had mentioned having used at the London practise group, so we had a go with it. The idea is to be aware of the quality of information coming from the client and avoiding the temptation to try and "make sense" of it.

It went like this - the client would talk about an issue and the questioner would use Clean Language to gather more information. The client, though, would answer some of the questions 'honestly' and make up the answers to the others. The questioner would not know which were 'real' answers and which were 'lies'.

We found this quite an interesting exercise. Some people were better than others at identifying which answers were 'real', some were better at making up answers, although most of use found that the answers we 'made up' were actually items from another significant metaphor. As they say - the client cannot not manifest their metaphor!

A most interesting day. So here are the details of the next day.

Middlesbrough Grovian Practise Group Meeting

Date: Saturday 8th August 1998

Time: 9.30am for 10am start, finish around 4.30pm (ish)

Venue: Allington House

4 North Bailey

Durham City

Co Durham

Allington House will cost the group about £20 or so for the day, so we'll work out an individual cost on the day. Although there is a kitchen and kettle we need to provide our own tea and coffee, so bring some tea bags, milk and biscuits and I'll bring the coffee!

Durham is only 15 minutes further North than Middlesbrough. Here are the directions to get to Allington House from both North and South:

A1: turn off at exit signposted Durham (A690). Continue along the dual carriageway. Approach the first roundabout in the right -hand lane, take the Claypath turnoff (last exit) and continue straight on along this road.

After about - mile, the road crosses a road bridge and enters the old part of the town centre, and town square. Just after a set of traffic lights here, you must turn left (straight ahead being disabled parking only) and continue along a narrow, steep uphill street. This is Saddler St which becomes North Bailey.

Near the top of the hill, take the road to the right (signposted Cathedral) and park in the square outside the Cathedral. (1:00 per day, if someone is collecting it - free if they're not).

To get to Allington House, walk back to North Bailey and turn right. Allington House is about 50 yards further along on the left hand side.

We will be using the lounge - along the passageway, through doors, up stairs on your left, turn left at the top of the stairs.

If this car-park is full (or if you get lost) alternative parking is available by going along Claypath, then down Providence Row (signposted "P" i.e. parking) and turning left at the bottom. There are 3 car parks along this road, allow about 10 mins walk from here to Allington House - either back along Claypath, or straight on, under the bridge and up the steps on your left into the town centre.

4 hour parking is also available across the bridge, at the junction of the A690 and the road to the right (A691).